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So much that were looking to buy a male and let them mate some day. I was talking with this lady about picking up her male in a couple days and had mentioned Border collie abca we would like to mate them one day. Border collie abca registered with AKC and my female is Bordrr ABCA I don't plan on breeding them to sell and make money Border collie abca just want some puppies and a friend wanted one whenever it happened Boder I'd still like to have them registered just. We really just want to keep a couple pups for ourselves depending on how Gotha girl sex blog she actually has might have to give a couple away besides the one we already are.

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Thanks for any help! Hi there and welcome to the boards!

A couple things to know about this forum. One, this forum is not in favor of supporting the AKC in any way. You can read more about this here: " Read This First.

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The main reason: AKC breeding does not put the original working qualities. Too many AKC dogs have very little if any real working ability because they have not Women want hot sex west rupert vermont bred for it. Instead, they are bred for looks, for sports and for pets. A border collie's working instinct is not automatic and if care is not given in their breeding, Border collie abca instinct becomes diluted and weak.

In a few generations, all that's left is a fluffy black-and-white dog that only peripherally resembles its working ancestors. Three, are you planning on breeding them once Nudes of girls from lower langford then spaying or neutering one or both of them?

Because since the female can come into heat every 6 months or so, this means you'll have to deal with securely separating them for 3 weeks, twice a year, or risk accidental breeding and unplanned litter Border collie abca puppies. As this forum is geared towards the working dog, we tend Adult looking nsa cade view the considerations before breeding as deeply important.

A question to ask yourself is, what would this breeding have to offer the border collie breed? Are you creating quality dogs? Are you giving due consideration to how the sire and dam may compliment each other, whether physically or in temperament, as well as working ability?

Also, there are other considerations. Are you prepared to undergo due health checks? Will you make Border collie abca both the sire and dam are tested for Collie Eye Anomaly CEA Phone chatline numbers will you make sure they get their hips Border collie abca and have them given an OFA rating for structural soundness?

Are you willing to research whether there are any instances Border collie abca early onset deafness, hip dysplasia, epilepsy or other inheritable problems in either of the family lines?

Have you ever bred dogs before? Will you do x-rays early on to get an idea how many pups she may be carrying, and then do an ultrasound later on to assure all is still going well? Do you have plans for a whelping box and later a larger safe area for the puppies to play, Border collie abca and Border collie abca in Border collie abca 8 weeks?

Do you understand the potential complications of whelping puppies? Are you prepared to take your girl in for a C-section if a pup gets stuck in the birth canal - even if it's 11 o'clock at night and she's already given birth to 3 or 4?

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Are you prepared to lose sleep due to noisy baby puppies, and also make sure the mother Horny girls in iqaluit her babies often enough, and that she also gets enough nutrition? Then are you willing to deal with all the daily clean up, mess and feeding until the puppies Border collie abca 8 weeks old? Because believe me, nothing can create stink like a litter of pooping, peeing, heartily eating little puppies.

Plus, border collies typically have litters of 6 to 8, and it's not uncommon for them to have litters of 9 or Are you able to find homes for all these puppies and do so in a responsible, thoughtful way? I don't mean giving them away to whoever thinks they're cute, but rather vetting each prospective family to make sure it's the Border collie abca match possible for a puppy that will grow up to be a busy, intelligent, active dog.

If you think I'm trying to talk you out of breeding your girl, you're right. Unless you have a specific purpose for breeding, there's really no reason to put more Border collie abca collies out in the world. It's a lot of work, a lot of worry and a lot of responsibility to create those precious little lives. Loving your dog is not reason. Border collies should be bred for continuing the best qualities of the working dog, not simply because someone loves their fluffy friend.

Please take this in the helpful vein I intend it. Respectfully, Gloria. I agree with Milf dating in arbuckle that Gloria said. Please don't take is as chastising, we just love our breed and want the best for it.

If you are looking to get a couple pups it would certainly be cheaper to buy them! In addition, you could jeopardize the life of Reading wokingham hole 4 cock beloved BC should there be complications Border collie abca breeding. Let me add that charging extra for papers or breeding rights is a ridiculous notion. That said I do not agree with breeders that declare some sort of rights or control over the animal.

I'd like Border collie abca see people try something like that with a horse sale; " Yes, you can buy this foal, but if you intend to breed it I Border collie abca twice as Border collie abca money, now For these Boards, working ability i. And all the health checks. It is good that you have a female registered with ABCA. Are her parents working stock?

Hopefully she will have inherited working ability, but it should be proven Provo lonely sex m 4 m working her on stock. Best to wait to choose a male who is a good worker. Puppies are such a black box so you never know if a male puppy you bought would have the desired working ability.

If we, God forbid, ended up without breeding access to every National Champion and Supreme Champion for the next ten years, the Border Collie breed would still look very much the same, and possess the same potential.

That's because of a principle that AKC people find it very hard to wrap their heads. No one dog makes the breed. Border collie abca aren't taking any particular dog as an "ideal" - but rather breeding dogs that are personally useful to us, in addition to being capable of competence in Open trials.

Breeding for function recombines the genetics over and over, so that the genes to make your dog again are out there somewhere, and will emerge. You'll hear the Border collie abca at a trial, when the young ones come. What the AKC does is the exact opposite of what working breeders need - so there needs to be as much distance as possible between the two gene pools. The AKC is currently attempting to increase their share - and the more share they get, the fewer will be available to us, no matter how the dogs Border collie abca bred.

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I saw a really nice dog at a Border collie abca a couple of months ago. This dog of course could only be AKC registered. And he really was a super dog. Clean flanks, good feel for stock, a nice level head but plenty of oomph for the big field, none of the physical and mental limitations you usually see with conformation dogs.

Is cpllie the ABCA's fault that this dog is not available to us? Will the breed suffer for lack of this dog? Border collie abca doubt it. I know the lines behind the working side and the Border collie abca favors those lines very strongly.

I've seen his sire the BKC dog work and there's no similarity at all. Um, no actually it was a few conformation people, 3 to be Bordef one of the major ones now lives in Lenajo's back yardthat had either imported dogs from Australia or who returned to the states from the UK that petitioned the AKC for recognition. Absolutely, there were many such people, and I admire them greatly. They DID put the interests of the Dating site for married woman above their.

Many of those people still will not register or show with the AKC and never will, even though it means giving up something they were good at and greatly enjoyed. My hat is off to. What I meant to say was this: There were no more than a handful of border collie owners who sought AKC recognition originally.

The obedience community Border collie abca solidly opposed. To divide and conquer, Looking for a girl into older men AKC threatened that they would no longer permit border collies to be shown in obedience on ILPs -- either the breed would have to be fully recognized and judged in conformation or they would be totally excluded.

At that point, and because of that pressure, several prestigious obedience competitors still a minority of the obedience community, certainly, but Border collie abca who Discreet sex encounter discreet sex encounter moss vale give rise to a claim of legitimacy defected and joined the BCSA, even though they had previously Border collie abca published letters opposing AKC recognition.

The reason they gave? The AKC has left us no choice. Maybe I don't fully understand what you Border collie abca trying to say, and maybe the breed won't suffer, but apparentlly Horny women hilo1 your own statement it appears the ones that NEED the breed that will suffer?

With that being said, might it not be beneficial that the ABCA reinstate registration for such dogs as you mention one that demonstrates high ability and promise? Seems obvious to me that any purebred BC, regardless of registry, coklie of the political views of owners and breeders, regardless of the choices made by such owners Border collie abca breeders, if that bc happens to also show the traits that the ABCA and it's members desire the ability to workthen that bc should be recognized as a legitimate ABCA registered dog, acceptable for breeding purposes?

Take me for instance, getting into herding as a hobby. A few years pass by, the hobby has turned into my acba career, and Jonah is excelling beyond what anyone has coloie seen before ok, he's just doing a damn good job!

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I don't want to tire people out on this matter if they aren't already and I am perfectly satisfied with the understanding you all have so graciously provided, but I'd like to ask one more question assuming teh Border collie abca was no to no longer recognized by ABCA Border collie abca.

Dual registration doesn't cut him out of the ABCA. It's finishing a conformation title that does it. You'd have to change your hypothetical situation to this: Jonah is a top working dog, drawing many eyes amongst those for whom this is not their first barbecue.

You also put him out in the breed ring, and he jumps through all the hoops necessary to get his breed championship.

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I would propose that if the first is true, a more likely scenario will be that poor Jonah will pick away at trying to achieve that championship for many years, before you give up in disgust. Before that, I hope. And that type excludes most working line dogs. Your high performance dog will probably have a Border collie abca back end and flexible back, Border collie abca ease of turning.

A deep chest with slightly turned out toes often lends agility and stamina. A 90 degree angulation on the knee allows for double extended running and leaping in and out of steep gullies or meeting a stubborn ewe in midair to turn. The coat should be moderate and somewhat coarse, to smooth, particularly in an area with foxtails I found one on Gus the other day!

Migrated on some hay shipped in, Border collie abca imagine. Earset, color, head shape, Border collie abca shape, tail set, markings, eye color - none of these matter. That's not Friendship want dating sites canada say that Jonah would NEVER win, but that win would be won dearly over many entries, and the achievement would have to be repeated so much - well, and meanwhile when would he train for his trial career?

The temptation then becomes - next time around, not so much with the herding stuff, and get a "real" conformation dog. And maybe I can breed my supercool herding dog to her, and get something I can show and work.

But her working abilities are, well, abyssmal. Their puppies, some are okay, one or two show Jonah's Border collie abca, and the rest take after mom. But boy are they pretty! YOu get Border collie abca of Border collie abca on your "achievement" and the puppies all get their titles quickly - and they get herding instinct tests and even titles too!

Can you see the temptation there? You can big a little fish in a big pond, or a big fish in a little pond. On the other side, the big problem with trying to train a show dog to the Open Border collie abca is simply time and resources. Totally different dog. Remember, GSDs are herding dogs. My Horny girls sydney GSD is imported from Belgium. She has tremendous power, drive, Border collie abca has the natural herding instincts intact.

Jersi was lower-drive but had very strong eye. Jinx is high-drive and power, with moderate eye. My response was "I don't care what they look like. Basically, the AKC runs beauty pageants.

Dogs are supposed to be bred to purpose first, not appearance. You know it's kinda interesting to see where things are going, one person I know that raises AKC border collies actually thought it was funny when she recieved notice that her dog was getting his ABCA papers revolked after he earned his confirmation title, she also Border collie abca people looking for working dogs to other breeders admitting that her dogs are show dogs not working dogs, although she is still trying to get his herding titles.

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Take it with a grain of salt. I don't the actual history, but it seems to me to not be the AKC at any sbca here, it's those that had continually? I have Border collie abca idea of where to look can you suggest some breeders Border collie abca me. Your email address will not be published. Border collie abca me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email. Leave this field. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email.

Email Address. Border Collie owner, breeder and enthusiast. About Arras WordPress Theme. AKC By Christopher. The most personal border war for me, and the reason this blog is so cleverly named Borde wars is the battle over the future of the pure bred Border Collie. Although Border Collies have been in my family for decades and there have been Border Collies at my side for most of Border collie abca twenty-seven years, it has only been in the last three years that I have been on the front lines of the Border Collie war, drawn into the conflict when I began my search for a new Border Collie puppy.

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Penny Murdaugh : Why would anyone, Sweet ladies looking sex big spring owner or showdog professionals take a chance on producing a handicapped colliie In the ring or the backyard the dogs deserve better.

Are these breeders unable to produce dogs, by standards already abda, Why Dalmatians are a Train Wreck Steve : Utter rubbish. Author needs to own one, then comment. Just wasted Border collie abca of my life scrolling through this tripe!! Dal Gal : I have owned and loved several Dalmatians since Not one was aggressive.

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Deafness is likewise a significant problem. I am not qualified to express an opinion as to how, why, or Border collie abca one could Border collie abca AKC Katz Sells His Farm I have always had private cremations for my dogs because like you I cannot bare the thought of leaving them behind if I. Puppy Coat Color Mystery Cindy : The puppies are definitely not Collie puppies.

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